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Emily

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PostSubject: So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill?   So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill? I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 10, 2009 11:15 pm

Everyone needs to read this - this provision in the stimulus bill is modeled after U.K.'s socialized medicine and will basically ration care, most notably to elderly patients in a manner which more or less decides if any procedure or treatment is worth the money, according to the patient's age.

This pisses me off. How dare the government and idiotic politicians try to sneak this through.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs


Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the “tough” decisions elected politicians won’t make.

The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.

Elderly Hardest Hit

Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.

Medicare now pays for treatments deemed safe and effective. The stimulus bill would change that and apply a cost- effectiveness standard set by the Federal Council (464).

The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.

In 2006, a U.K. health board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took almost three years of public protests before the board reversed its decision.

Hidden Provisions

If the Obama administration’s economic stimulus bill passes the Senate in its current form, seniors in the U.S. will face similar rationing. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.

The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined (90-92, 174-177, 181).

Hiding health legislation in a stimulus bill is intentional. Daschle supported the Clinton administration’s health-care overhaul in 1994, and attributed its failure to debate and delay. A year ago, Daschle wrote that the next president should act quickly before critics mount an opposition. “If that means attaching a health-care plan to the federal budget, so be it,” he said. “The issue is too important to be stalled by Senate protocol.”
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PostSubject: Re: So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill?   So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 11, 2009 2:35 am

Yep, it's a secret. Mad

Do you hear this man talking today ???

He sounds like he's either running for office again or having his black preacher moment.

The crowd is acting stupid. Rolling Eyes

Why does he repeat the homeowners that lost their homes through no fault of their own crap ???

He answers NOTHING. Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill?   So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 11, 2009 3:03 am

Some black man asked why he can't get unemployment money to match what he was bringing home each month on his paycheck. Shocked

He said if you were making $3000 a month, why can't you automatically get that instead of $1200 and no other assistance.

Because DUmmie, no one would look for work. SHEET, if unemployment paid me what I made working why would I go to work OR look for another job.

And you know shystie Barry, we don't have a perfect system but we're working on it.

It makes me sick.
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We're screwed.
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PostSubject: Re: So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill?   So Have Your Heard about One Part of this Stimulus Bill? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 11, 2009 6:49 am

I just heard it passed.

ay yi yi

we are in for it now
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